JESUS DID NOT DIE ON A CROSS, BUT ON A STAKE August 22, 2008
Posted by polygyny in Following The Cross.Tags: bible, christian, christianity, church, crucifix, jesus christ
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Do you realise what I just said? What have they been telling us in Church? What have they been telling us, if he died on a stake, then WHAT are all those crosses doing – up on the church steeple? On the tombstone? Worn around the neck? On the cover of the Bible? What, WHAT? WHAT?
But the facts say it better. So what are we all following? Are we following what the bible says? Not quite. Look very closely:
The use of the word Cross and Crucify and Crucified should be changed to ’Stake’, and ‘Stake him’ and ’staked’ etc. as the original Greek word is STAUROS. ‘Cross’ came from the Latin word ’Crux’, which did not come from the Greek.
The Force On His Arms
If Jesus hung on a cross, the force on his arms would be too great to hold together, if his arms are at a 30 degree angle or less, to the horizontal, the force pulling his arms apart, and pulling through the nails is two - four times what it would be if his arms were vertical. Therefore from a physical point of view, crosses would never be used in crucifixion. Only stakes.
Ropes are not from the Bible, but from Hollywood
Because of the problem of supporting the weight of the body on a cross, some movie makers use ropes to support the arms when filming Christ on a cross.
They use every conceivable possibility, including ropes. Just to defend that tombstone with a cross on it. How can they all be wrong? But they are!
Scientific Experiments
As for the death resulting from being nailed up, the most popular thought is that Christ would die of suffocation/asphyxiation. According to Frederick T. Zugibe, adjunct associate professor of pathology at Colombia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, he performed extensive experiments to test this theory. These experiments show that a man on a cross would NOT suffocate to death, even when the body was unsupported by anything else.
By way of comparison, Hermann Moedder, a doctor of radiology from Austria, carried out an experiment in the 1940’s in Cologne, Germany, with medical students. He strapped them with their wrists directly above their heads Within minutes the students grew pale, their lung capacity and blood pressure dropped significantly, and their pulse rates increased. Moedder concluded suffocation would occur in minutes if they were not able to stand and rest.
So Why The Cross?
The Cross was adopted in an attempt to make Christianity more familiar and “friendly” to the pagan converts. Which Pagan religion would this be? The shape of the Cross had its origin in ancient Chaldea (Babylon), and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name).
The cross had further uses especially in Egypt. It represents the Tree of Life, the age-old fertility symbol, combining the vertical male and horizontal female principles, either as an ordinary cross, or better known in the form of the crus ansata, the Egyptian ankh (sometimes called: the Tau cross), which had been carried over into our modern-day symbol of the female, well known in biology.
Should We Wear The Cross?
Sure, if you worship Tammuz. But I’m saying DON’T WORSHIP TAMMUZ. Worship Jesus Christ, not a false christ. Like when you wear a cross. Or put up a cross in your house. You don’t know what you are doing, think its a Christian thing, and you are a good Chrstian. You’re following the wrong God! You are Worshipping another god! You are following a tradition, but rooted in paganism, not the true gospel!
Are you aware of the fact that from a historical perspective, the
Greek word for cross (stauros) was used to represent a variety of
wooden structures used for execution—including ones resembling
the shapes of a T, +, X, and an upright stake?
If Jesus was crucified on an upright stake, then why does John 20:25
say that “nails” were used as opposed to a single “nail”?
In view of John 21:18-19, how can a crucifixion be on an upright
stake if the hands are outstretched?
If Jesus was crucified on an upright stake, then why does Matthew
27:37 say a sign was put above Jesus’ head instead of above His
hands?
The X shaped cross is known as St Anthony’s Cross. Can you tell me who he is? Or is he just another Roman Catholic invention?
However I would be interested to know of your sources when you say “Historical” are those Vatican records?
Several nails could be used on an upright stake, don’t be silly. Also a sign could have been put above his head, anywhere, above his hands, head or wherever!
Hands outstretched… which way? Up or sideways?
If you try every conceivable possibility, then you have to prove it! However, thanks for posting – lets be in touch friend.
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The Greek word stauros was used to refer to a variety of wooden structures used for execution in ancient days. Robert Bowman notes that stauros as a wooden structure could represent shapes “similar to the Greek letter tau (T) and the plus sign (+), occasionally using two diagonal beams (X), as well as (infrequently) a simple upright stake with no crosspiece. To argue that only the last-named form was used, or that stauros could be used only for that form, is contradictory to the actual historical facts and is based on a naive restriction of the term to its original or simplest meaning.”
It is also significant that when Jesus spoke of Peter’s future crucifixion, He indicated that Peter’s arms would be outstretched, not above his head. Jesus told Peter: “‘Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to gird yourself, and walk wherever you wished; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will gird you, and bring you where you do not wish to go.’ Now this He said, signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God” (John 21:18-19)
I have no knowledge about St Anthony, but in the Greek orthodox tradition St Andrew had been crucified on a X shaped cross.
In keeping with a cross-crucifixion instead of a stake-crucifixion, we read in Matthew 27:37: “And they put up above His head the charge against Him which read, ‘THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS’” (italics added). If Jesus had died on a stake, the text would have said: “And they put up above His hands…” But it clearly says “above His head,” showing that a cross-crucifixion is meant..
Thinking in proper measures, the sign should have fitted three rows of properly readable letters from a distance. I don’t know if such a sign could have fitted in between the head and the points where the hands where pierced by either a ‘nail’ or ‘nails’.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1343.asp
Wow, you have a lot to say.
The cross of today is the one we are talking about, not the others. That is simply a diversion tactic. Jesus did not die on the cross.
He died on the stake.
Also you need to use the King James Bible to know which way his hands went – the other bibes are corrupt http://alumbrados.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/the-proof-of-forgery-of-modern-bibles-2/
John 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.
Speaking of above the head or hands is ridiculous.
Alumbrados,
Sorry about the delay in getting back to you after you were kind enough to leave a comment on my blog.
Try as I might, I could not get upset, mad, or even a little irked over the though of Jesus dying on a cross/stake “controversy”. The important thing to me was, and still is, the very fact that Jesus would die for my sins and rise on the third day so I could be saved.
I still am thankful for that no matter if it were a stake or cross.
God Bless
Bro Tom
jesus died on the cross period any other theory is false to other believers
The Cross Or Stake is not central to the Gospel or to salvation, however, we may need to answer the question when it arises, and know both sides of the argument.